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Question by trixiepuff36: Do you still believe in the policy "women and children first"? I strongly support it (and it's not just because I am a woman). But I have heard lately that this statement is striking controversy. But why? If women want 100% full equality, would society have to do away with this? Best answer for Do you still believe in the policy "women and children first"?:
Answer by calzrhe
Then comes the issue of abortion where you choose between the woman or the children, and can't have both.
Answer by Feminist Turbo
Thanks to females, guys are born. Females First::: is a sign of respect. Giving females the respect that they deserve. Male oppressors are too lazy to even open a guy for a female. No, they'd rather slam it in a female's face.
Answer by Nieuwe
The reason that policy is controversial is because that policy dictates that women are of more worth than men.
Answer by Hobgoblin
Not any more, I am afraid, sorry but I have seen the light
Answer by Shy Guy
Yes, because I'm a real man like the guys from the WW2 generation. Class & honor.
Answer by Beer 3.0
I DON'T BELIEVE IN IT. CHILDREN - YES, WOMEN - NO. WHY, BECAUSE I BELIEVE MY LIFE IS JUST AS VALUABLE(NO MORE, NO LESS) AS A WOMAN'S LIFE. "If women want 100% full equality, would society have to do away with this?" LOL.
Answer by ladybug
Children first, maybe. Women first because they are women? No. I can hold the door for men, I can walk out of a building after a fire alarm after men. In an emergency, lets make sure the children are okay and then continue in an orderly fashion without caring which gender is first. Why do I have a privilege just because of my gender? I don't, and women have been fighting for centuries to be treated as equals. All I want is to be treated as a human. Let's all show mutual respect and get on with our days.
Answer by Alice Grey
I agree with children first because they can't fend for themselves, but I think women first is BS
Answer by minddyy
that seems to be the strategy. its ridiculous really men punishing women for staning up and utilizing thier rights funny thing is men never have gotten treated as bad as they are currently treating women. I remember this one time i was on a jobsite and was moving a ladder. a co-worker came to help but i said i was fine so he became angry and slammed the ladder onto my shoulder. they are just animals plain and simple
Answer by David
Yea sure.... Later don't complain that women are inferior to men. It's obvious that women and children have to go first, they lack sufficient skill to survive if left for last. There is a reason why god built men a certain way.
Answer by mikewonaus
Nice point, but yeah, as a macho 50s male, women & children 1st is an eternal norm. Sure there has been some resentment with women's lib being the source of an abbreviated military career & the equal rights amendment is extended to the gender challenged but here we are in 2011 with one catastrophe after another with women & children being murdered 1st!
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PHOENIX (AP) â€" Friendly fire likely was to blame in a shooting near the Arizona-Mexico line that killed one federal agent and wounded another, the FBI said, noting the investigation was still ongoing in the case that reignited the political debate over border security.
"There are strong preliminary indications that the death of United States Border Patrol Agent Nicholas J. Ivie and the injury to a second agent was the result of an accidental shooting incident involving only the agents," FBI Special Agent in Charge James L. Turgal Jr. said in a statement Friday.
Turgal said the FBI is using "all necessary investigative, forensic and analytical resources" as it investigates the Tuesday shooting about five miles north of the border near Bisbee.
Ivie was killed after he and two other agents responded to an alarm triggered by a sensor aimed at detecting smugglers and others entering the U.S. illegally. Another agent was wounded, and released from a hospital after surgery; the third agent was uninjured.
Federal investigators used ballistic testing to determine that the shootings likely resulted from friendly fire, according to the Cochise County Sheriff's Office, which is assisting the FBI in the probe.
Jeffrey D. Self, commander of Customs and Border Protection's Joint Field Command-Arizona, said that despite the initial findings that the shootings appeared accidental, Ivie still "gave the ultimate sacrifice and died serving his country."
"The fact is the work of the Border Patrol is dangerous," Self said at a news conference in Tucson.
While federal authorities declined to offer details of the shooting, George McCubbin, president of the National Border Patrol Council, said all three agents fired their weapons.
McCubbin told The Arizona Republic that the agents had split up as they investigated the sensor alarm.
"Coming in from different angles, that is more than likely how it ended up happening," he said.
A Mexican law enforcement official said Thursday that federal police had arrested two men who may have been connected to the shootings. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information, said it was unclear if there was strong evidence linking the men to the case.
Mexican authorities didn't respond to telephone messages Friday.
Ivie's funeral is set for Monday in Sierra Vista.
The Border Patrol couldn't immediately comment on the frequency of friendly fire shootings involving its agents. However, such incidents appear to be extremely rare, if they've ever occurred at all.
"I know of absolutely none in the past, and my past goes back to 1968," Kent Lundgren, chairman of the National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers said, citing the year he joined the agency. "I'm not saying it never happened. I'm just saying I've never heard of it."
Also Friday, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano traveled to Arizona to express her condolences to Ivie's family and meet with authorities.
Ivie's death marked the first fatal shooting of an agent since a 2010 firefight with Mexican bandits that killed U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and spawned congressional probes of a botched government gun-smuggling investigation.
The "Fast and Furious" operation allowed people suspected of illegally buying guns for others to walk away from gun shops with weapons, rather than be arrested. Authorities intended to track the guns into Mexico.
Two rifles found at the scene of Terry's shooting were bought by a member of the gun-smuggling ring being investigated. Critics of the operation say any shooting along the border now will raise the specter that those illegal weapons are still being used.
Twenty-six Border Patrol agents have died in the line of duty since 2002.
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Associated Press writers Pete Yost in Washington, Susan Montoya Bryan in Albuquerque, N.M., and Olga R. Rodriguez in Mexico City contributed to this report.
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