Wednesday, October 10, 2012

Supreme Court showdown on affirmative action - Politico [ournewsa.blogspot.com]

Supreme Court showdown on affirmative action - Politico [ournewsa.blogspot.com]


Abigail Fisher, the Texan involved in the University of Texas affirmative action case, accompanied by her attorney Bert Rein, right, talks to reporters outside the Supreme Court. | AP Photo

Much discussion turned on whether Texas had achieved a “critical mass” of minority students. | AP Photo

The Supreme Court seems poised to issue a ruling that could pare back affirmative action programs in higher education, judging by comments justices made during a Wednesday session on a case challenging racial preferences at the University of Texas.

It appeared clear from the justices’ often-pointed questions during an extended hour-and-20-minutes of oral arguments that the survival of the Texas program and others like it depends on the vote of Justice Anthony Kennedy.

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Three of the court’s four most conservative justices, Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Antonin Scalia and Justice Samuel Alito, were clearly hostile to the Texas plan. Justice Clarence Thomas did not speak from the bench Wednesday, as is his custom, but he’s previously indicated opposition to such programs.

The court’s liberal wing was more receptive to the University of Texas program and to the idea of deferring to the judgment of educators. However, the court’s liberals are down one for the Texas case: Justice Elena Kagan recused herself because as solicitor general she approved a brief backing the university.

If the conservative justices vote together, they could nix the Texas program and effectively restructure â€" or even end â€" affirmative action in higher education. If not, the case is unlikely to set any precedent, though the court could still kill the Texas system.

Kennedy sounded largely skeptical about the Texas program, which uses race to boost the admission of African Americans and Latinos, but he gave no indication he is inclined to join a ruling that would forbid all use of race in college admissions at state-run schools.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor, the court’s only Hispanic, emerged as the most vocal defender of the Texas program on the court.

Former Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, author of the court’s 2003 ruling that upheld affirmative action, was in the courtroom audience for most of Wednesday’s arguments on the Texas case. In the earlier case, Grutter v. Bollinger, O’Connor upheld a University Michigan Law School affirmative action plan but suggested such programs would no longer be necessary in 25 years.

“I know time flies, but there’s no denying those years have [not] passed,” Breyer quipped at the outset of the arguments, suggesting that conservatives are intent on overturning Grutter.

Alito, who replaced O’Connor in 2006, offered some of the strongest criticism of the Texas program. He seemed particularly disturbed that it admits well-to-do minorities who don’t gain admission through a Texas law that grants a place at the university to everyone who graduates in the top 10 percent of a public high school.

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Question by airforcewolf: Is the term "serving your country" kind of wrong? I am serving in the Air Force right now and I love it. I'll proably stay in until I retire (in the reserves). However, I notice that people tend to think of serving in the military as "serving your country." Going to war is "serving your country." Going to basic is "serving your country." He was killed while "serving his country." That's fine, but aren't civilians "serving their country" too? Isn't a doctor treating patients serving his country? Isn't a honest businessman who helps out the economy serving his country? Isn't a firefighter or police officer serving his country? Isn't a teacher serving his country? The point is: I really don't think you have to join the military to serve your country. As long as you are an honest, hard worker, I do not think you are serving your country any less than soliders, airmen, sailors, marines, and coast-guardsmen. Best answer for Is the term "serving your country" kind of wrong?:

Answer by bigdogrex
you are right,unless you are bush he does not know what serving means

Answer by atcaug85
All that being said, the civilian world holds us to a higher standard. They expect us to be the best, to be in shape, to do what we do the correct way. I agree with what you are saying, but that is not how it is and it probably won't change, and I hope it wouldn't change. We took an oath to defend our country with our lives. I am sure there are plenty of people who are not willing to do so, you only find out until you are put in that situation. 1% of the US population is military. You are elite whether you want to think yourself that way or not.

Answer by Dennis
You are absolutely correct! Lots of times recruiters will tell those that do not qualify to join the services that they can serve their country in other ways. I think the definition could also derive from "civil servant" A civil servant is someone who works for the administrative service of a government, called the civil service (or public service). ... Hence the term "serving your country" Below, I provided some more informaiton

Answer by Blue_Bee
I'm glad folks realize that. every teacher, doctor, fireman, hell the guy that pumps your gas and breathes all the fumes so you don't have to - all of us serve our country by serving our communities, our neighbors, our children, ourselves. Great post! And thanks btw.

Answer by inomostuff
Intresting thought and I think you are absolutly right. But I still love our troops and think they deserve the upmost respect. Without them the rest of us wouldnt have the opportunity to do anything in our country. Kudos to all you guys and gals!

Answer by Charming Gentleman
Absolutely. However, I dont recall ever hearing about a doctor who was willing to lay down their life to protect their patient much less sign a contract to do so. I dont recall a teacher swearing to up hold the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. Dont get me wrong, my mother was a teacher and my father a business man. I have the utmost respect for anyone who contributes to their society. However we as military personnel took an oath to do whatever it takes to protect America. It's our job.

Answer by Joe T
I think the phrase has been so overused it has become meaningless. You might not be serving your country at all being in the military. You might just be a screw up, or doing awful things, or just wasting time, or running scams. Who knows? Same in civilian life.

Answer by William B
As I retired Air Force Pilot, I agree with your definitions of "Serving Our Country". I personally never looked at it that way. You have shown me that everyone who does what it takes in life to do the best they can is serving our country. I am proud of my brothers and sisters in arms, but I am, also, of my fellow citizens for their contributions to our country.

Answer by 2nd AD/ 4th ID
I understand your point. Let me just say that the term "Serving your country" has a different and distinct meaning for the military. Presidents and politicians come and go, but our country remains. We may take orders from the President but we are loyal to our country first.

Answer by joe mama
I am not a military fanatic..but I dont think there are many fields where people serve the country as much as military folk do In the military, they put their lives on the line and dont get paid much I guess like the CIA, FBI, fire fighters, cops etc are in the same league...

Answer by Ninja
It is called civil service....They serve their cities, counties, states, we serve the entire country.

Answer by kellogg
cool. thanks for sharing.

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