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>>> welcome back to msnbc's coverage of the first vice presidential debate, first and only vice presidential debate of the 2012 election. senator dick durbin is with us from the spin room . obviously a strong supporter of the democratic side. thanks for being with us tonight. appreciate your time.
>> good to be with you.
>> one of the policy matters that was bridged tonight by vice president biden that has not been focused on by the obama/ biden campaign thus far was the privatization of social security . this is something that george w. bush pursued in his second term. paul ryan had been a proponent of that at that time. he'd since dropped it from his plans by the time mitt romney was getting around to endorsing paul ryan 's plans. joe biden went there tonight. should we see that as the intention of the democratic side to go there, holding the republicans accountable for paul ryan 's old idea and george w. bush 's old idea to privatize social security ?
>> i think it was one of joe biden 's best moments. there's no question where paul ryan stood. even before the stock market crash , he was arguing we should go to privatizing social security . when people lost 30, 40% or more of their savings, he was still clinging to this crazy notion. joe biden put him on the spot tonight. he had to admit it. the same thing held true for medicare. joe biden would not allow paul ryan to dance away from his crazy views.
>> on the issue of afghanistan, it was confusing on the surface and more confusing the deeper they got. my sense is that the difference between the two campaigns is that both sides agree with the 2014 plan to leave afghanistan, but that the romney and ryan side is making it conditional whereas the obama/ biden side is making it definite. is that the distinction that vice president biden was trying to describe tonight?
>> that's exactly right. it's a key distinction. the longest war in american history . the american people want those troops to come home. they want to turn over to the afghans the responsibility. you should have seen the needle jump on those networks that were following it with proud reaction when joe biden made that clear. finally, after two or three times hitting on it, paul ryan backed off of it. the fact is there. romney's been talking about conditions. the president and the vice president have said they're coming home 2014 .
>> why did vice president biden hammer paul ryan tonight on the issue of him requesting stimulus funds for his district? i get that he caught him in a little bit of hypocrisy, but he's not realistically criticizing paul ryan for having asked for funds that the democratic side maintains has worked well?
>> here's paul ryan criticizing the stimulus package , how terrible it was, deepening the deficit. then he makes personal requests for his own congressional district . that's a matter of record. i don't think paul ryan looked very good at the end of the day . he believed that stimulus plan was going to create jobs. that's exactly what it did.
>> senator, this is ed. i don't know if pressure is the right word or not, but joe biden went in to this debate tonight. he had to accomplish something that maybe wasn't done in last week's debate. you being a veteran of the senate, i know you've known joe for a long time. was there any doubt in your mind that he was going to come out and clear the plate tonight for the middle class ?
>> no, there wasn't. i didn't want to trump it ahead of time and say it's going to be a great debate for joe biden . you play down a little bit or don't get carried away . i knew when he gave him this assignment and said, joe, you're going to carry this flag into battle, he couldn't wait to get prepare for it. he did great. what's interesting, the republicans around here in the so-called spin room , what are they criticizing? oh, he laughed too much. he smiled too much. they want to go after style points because they lost on all the substance points. those of us who know joe biden , this guy wears his heart on his sleeve. he's a guy with big laughs, big tears. that's who he is.
>> senator dick durbin , we thank you for your time tonight. we appreciate it.
>> good to be with you.
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